In a revealing interview, Penrith Panthers coach Ivan Cleary has opened up about his controversial sacking by Phil Gould in 2015, shedding light on the dynamics that led to his departure and the subsequent cold war that developed between them.

The two have had a complex and often strained relationship, and Cleary’s recent comments provide insight into the behind-the-scenes drama.

Cleary was appointed head coach of the Panthers in 2012 and enjoyed relative success, guiding the team to the 2014 NRL Grand Final.

However, despite his achievements, Cleary’s tenure ended abruptly in 2015 when he was sacked mid-season, a decision that stunned both players and fans alike.

The move appeared to be largely driven by Gould, who at the time was the Panthers’ executive general manager of football operations.

Cleary explained that the sacking was rooted in the direction the club was taking under Gould’s leadership. According to Cleary, the decision to part ways was primarily based on differences in football philosophy and a mismatch in vision for the team’s future.

While Cleary had aimed to build a competitive squad focused on player development and consistent improvement, Gould had a more immediate, high-performance mindset.

The growing tension between their approaches became evident as the team struggled in the first half of 2015, despite the talent at its disposal.

“It was pretty clear that Phil and I had different ideas about how the team should progress. I believed in a long-term plan, while he was pushing for a quicker turnaround,” Cleary said.

“We clashed on some big decisions, and in the end, it became clear that the club was moving in a different direction.”

After his sacking, Cleary and Gould’s relationship became strained, with little communication between the two for years. Gould, known for his outspoken nature, rarely addressed the situation publicly, while Cleary largely focused on his coaching career elsewhere.

For Cleary, the decision to part ways was a pivotal moment in his career, but one that ultimately allowed him to reflect and grow as a coach.

Despite their frosty history, Cleary has no ill will toward Gould. “He’s a smart football person, and we both want the best for the club,” Cleary said, though acknowledging that the scars from their tumultuous professional relationship linger.

Both have moved on since, but the behind-the-scenes drama continues to be a notable chapter in both men’s careers.